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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 06:53 PM
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transientAcatalepsy 11-Jan-22 06:53 PM
oh god
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 06:54 PM
Classpects are Andrew Hussie's vibe-based way of creating superpowers.
Basically, where Worm is hard magic, things being defined by rules and solid mechanics, Homestuck mostly operates off of soft magic, tied to storytelling logic.
While classpects are presented as a joke overcomplicated version of DnD classes or elemental affinities, they're actually an incredibly powerful tool for figuring out the shape of a character arc.
There are twelve aspects, and twelve classes. I'll talk about aspects first.
Each of the twelve aspects has a direct "inverse" pairing, and these six pairs are all strong elements that tie into ways to tell a story, as well as their own thematic resonances.
Think [Determination.] from Undertale -- It means a whole lot of different things at once.
It's literally the Watsonian reason you have the power to save your game, but it also represents Frisk's character motivation, it represents the players' urge to Finish The Story. It's a great and terrible thing, literally liquid that can be injected and also something inextricable from Frisk's soul.
The aspects are a lot like that. Each have their own strong symbolic meaning, and all twelve together make up The Story.
Some are more fundamental, like Time and Space. Some are a little more obscure, like Life and Doom, or Hope and Rage.
But they're all utterly fascinating.
You'll also have to keep in mind that they're also very funny.
Jan and I meme the hell out of the aspects
Hope and Heart and Life and Light especially
But honestly those are ALSO kinda key to our interpretations lol
I'll get to specifics on what each are later, probably in a diff thread for organizational clarity (edited)
This is just what is classpecting as a concept
The other part is Class
and this is where shit gets interesting.
Class is primarily a modifier for aspects (edited)
Think Link from Zelda -- His various incarnations are Hero of Time, Hero of Wind, Hero of Twilight, Hero of Sky etc
Time, Wind, Twilight and Sky would be his aspect
(And in fact some of those Literally Are aspects one to one, because hussie likes video games, but we'll get there)
And Hero is kind of his class.
Each aspect is mostly defined by a singular verb
And while the twelve classes are paired off with their inverses, they're also paired off by their "verb pair"
For example, we can look at the Heir class. Its verb, shared by the Witch class, is "Change."
But within each verb pair, one class is "active" and one is "passive"
Heir, the passive class, is "to be changed" where as Witch, the active class, is "to change" (edited)
And like I said, you usually use each class as a modifier
To passively change [aspect] and to passively be changed by [aspect]
Is heir
To actively change [aspect] and to actively be changed by [aspect] is Witch
There are ofc specifics
But I'll get to those later.
With 12 aspects and 12 classes, there are 144 classpects in all!! And that's scary shit to look at.
But the key is
You really only need to know, like, very few
I do this shit for fun all the time and I constantly look up the class pairings
And I always forget literally half the classes and aspects
9 times out of ten you only need to know
Your own classpect, and those who are playing with you
And like, even then, classpects are mostly a storytelling guideline.
I very often find that they're an incredibly useful storytelling guideline
But they're made out of like 70-80% metaphor
And that's very important
Heir for example -- a character who is literally the heir to something might get that class, or, one time I assigned heir to a character because of their hair matching an heir (and also it fit them in other ways) (edited)
Like, this shit is downright Seussian
Just have fun with it
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transientAcatalepsy 11-Jan-22 07:10 PM
Hm
So aspects are, to use a very weird metaphor powered water, whereas the class is the container that gives that water a specific shape (edited)
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 07:12 PM
Exactly
They guide the aspect
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transientAcatalepsy 11-Jan-22 07:12 PM
Shall i look up a list of both, then?
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 07:12 PM
I will provide!
New thread
OH there's one more mechanic I forgot
Well, two
Aspects are also tied to, like, superpower shit, but that's game mechanics
Rn I'm sticking w the storytelling applications
Bc I know thats more interesting
And the big thing I forgot was inversion
Aspects and Classes both have inverts
And usually a characters' struggle involves "ghosting" their inverted classpect
Rose from canon, for example, inverts her Seer of Light classpect (Passive Knowledge of Light) into Witch of Void (Active Change of Void)
This was tied to her depression and like (edited)
emotional Hard Times
But expressed thru SUPERPOWERS!!!!
which is very cool
Changed the channel name.
Changed the channel name.
grr
anyway
yeah
That stuff is gonna be in the lookup tables
Inversion means passive becomes active and vice versa, and linked verbs switch for class, and linked aspects switch within pairs for aspect
Overcomplicated explanation (edited)
But it makes sense
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 08:06 PM
ALL CLASSES HAVE A SPECIFIC OUTFIT AND ALL ASPECTS HAVE A SPECIFIC COLOR SCHEME + LOGO
FROGOT
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 10:47 PM
the thing abt classpecting
is that like
your, like, holistic sense of an aspect
is 1000% the correct way to view it
if u see the light<->chess connection in kingdom hearts and then choose to associate light with pointless pedantry
because of kingdom hearts
you are 100% correct in that interpretation
if you think rage and then think The Hulk, and remember that they recast the guy, and like, what? huh?
that's 100% part of rage
@transientAcatalepsy ask here!
yep
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transientAcatalepsy 11-Jan-22 10:49 PM
okay so i'm moving this
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 10:49 PM
lol
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transientAcatalepsy 11-Jan-22 10:49 PM
yep
love u viri
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 10:49 PM
okay
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transientAcatalepsy 11-Jan-22 10:49 PM
so i guess my question now is just uhhh what do classpects like. do? Let's say, for example, that I decide my OC/SI/whateverthefuck is a Knight of Doom. What does that actually mean, beyond the fact that character arc wise, he's being used by his aspect even as he uses it?
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 10:49 PM
emma_heart
classpects are useful in-game for a buncha stuff
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transientAcatalepsy 11-Jan-22 10:49 PM
what flavor of sword/laser beams do i have now
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 10:49 PM
it guides his quest, first of all.
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transientAcatalepsy 11-Jan-22 10:49 PM
to put it in pedistrian terms
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 10:50 PM
each aspect has its own big ol space worm
that u can meet with and get The Choice from
tho thats not necessary for every player i think
and that can help like
frame what that player needs to do
the powers are, in a wormy sense, defined by the monkeys paw of that classpect
knight of doom -- exploits thru doom, is exploited by doom
im feeling, like, technology is part of the arensal
honesly
fucking
doc ock lolmad
tho hes more mage of doom
like
hmmm
not for you
wait
no
yeah no
doc ock is a knight of doom
and you can see how thats reflected in him superpowers wise
hes trying to prevent, like, the entropy of the universe
thru specifically abuse of fossil fuels
(spiderman 2 raimi doc ock)
by, exploiting technology
exploits technology by exploiting technology
i dont think i need to explain like
how, doc ock
is being exploited by doom here
also his fear of dying i think
which i think is more of a nwh thing anyhow
fatalism
a lot of ppl make the mistake of conflating troll superpowers w the aspect superpowers
which, if u wanted to, we could make your character a troll, because, uh, spoilers, we might not be on the original earth? and we're maybe on a post-homestuck version of earth dozens of thousands of years in the future where trolls and humans live together, all for the sake of "ooh i wanna be a troll" option in this rp?
but doom analyzers tend to confuse the aspect w the psiionic trolls, who have like, psyker powers
tho ofc your character human or otherwise could
your character would have some abilities tied to the end of things
transhumanism too
i mean again think dr fuckin eggman lol
putting animals into his robots to make them dangerous
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transientAcatalepsy 11-Jan-22 10:57 PM
um
can we uh, slow down for a second
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 10:58 PM
yes
i am talking very fast
because
i like homestuck
lmfao
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transientAcatalepsy 11-Jan-22 10:58 PM
I just wanna make sure I understand so i can properly play with y'all
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 10:58 PM
yes
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transientAcatalepsy 11-Jan-22 10:59 PM
So, instead of granting you something specific, your aspect kind of determins the...thematic nature of whatever abilities you have, and then your class determines your relationship with those themes?
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 10:59 PM
yeah, almost presicely!
and its not exclusive ofc
heart players arent the only ones to struggle w identity
void players arent the only ones to worry abt feeling left out
but it does inform that
which is then reflected back out as superpowers
in a looser way than worm
but there still are some similarities
in that the characters' struggle is thematically reflected in their powers
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transientAcatalepsy 11-Jan-22 11:00 PM
see, that's kind of what I'm trying to ask? like. what kind of superpowers
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:00 PM
do you want like
examples
from the comic
of what it looks like
i can def describe shit if that would help!
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transientAcatalepsy 11-Jan-22 11:01 PM
Yeah, some examples would be nice
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:01 PM
but you're also like, never going to get "he can do x"
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transientAcatalepsy 11-Jan-22 11:01 PM
So I can start actually making choices
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:01 PM
because that's not how it really works in hs
john egbert can do,
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transientAcatalepsy 11-Jan-22 11:01 PM
yeah, I got that much
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:01 PM
the windy thing
rose can see light
for rose
like
her power means that she can See past the surface of opaque objects (like magic 8 balls that are painted over)
she can navigate a vessel through the void of space to where the story will pick back up
she knows
generally
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transientAcatalepsy 11-Jan-22 11:03 PM
Right now I'm waffling between Knight/Prince and Void/Doom as aspects as described in the other threads, but I'd like a more practical understanding of what I would be writing before I make a choice, yk?
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:03 PM
what is going to happen
and like
lemme grab u
visual examples
actually
should i focus on examples of knights, princes, and void/doom?
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transientAcatalepsy 11-Jan-22 11:04 PM
yes pls
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:04 PM
also keep in mind a Lot of fighting in homestuck isnt done w lazer beams, most of it is like, swords n shit
or like silly equivalents
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transientAcatalepsy 11-Jan-22 11:04 PM
swords i'm in
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:04 PM
this isnt a power
but nobody but dave would do this
(knight of time)
rose inverts briefly to witch of void
so i have a Lot
of good images of void-as-lazer-beams lol
plus i have a lot of roxy stuff later
which focuses more on void-as-creation-potential
maybe we should move this to a diff thread>
or
eh
who cares lol
this is where it would go
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:07 PM
yeah
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:08 PM
jan if u have the unofficial hs collection downloaded
go to any page in hs
and right click the image and click open folder
and u can just
scroll thru
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:08 PM
i dont 😔 new computer
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:08 PM
all ofit
noooo
😭
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:08 PM
gonna have to reget it if possible
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:08 PM
all good lol
An offline browser built from the ground up to archive Homestuck and its related works.
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:09 PM
ty
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:09 PM
yeah
like, here
even tho voidy aesthetic follows her
thorns n shit
GET IT BC HER NAME IS ROSE
like
the actual fighting is done with
her needles
as always
(which is, uh, every character chooses a "weaponkind", so like, you can choose hammers and then you get the ability to make all sorts of absurd hammers)
(but you will mostly use hammer based combat)
(even to the very end)
honestly
honestly
just
s collide
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:11 PM
yeah explaining the literal of hs gt powers is like... hard haha
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:11 PM
here
this is a fight
2 minutes
the kids there
one is a knight one is a prince
(time and heart) (edited)
and like
the thematic stuff is WAY more important even to that fight
than anything they do
esp bc it is such utterly cartoon violence
abstracted into video game nothing
so at 30 seconds in there actually is a classpect power used
terezi has the ability to, as a seer of mind, view different timelines w different choices. dave, as a knight of time, exploits that, and summons all of the alternate-choice dirks (kid w the pointy shades) to the main timeline. dirk, as a prince of heart, uses his heart powers to destroy his distributed self across three timelines, becoming instead a singular, alive self, in the main timeline
all that in a 3 second shot
so like
i cant say
This Is What They Do
because
they never did that before, and they never do it after
but thematically, if doing so works
you can do it
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transientAcatalepsy 11-Jan-22 11:15 PM
I see
okay
that's what i was looking for
thank u
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:15 PM
oh yeah heart players can do soul shit too
so like
yeah
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:15 PM
prince of heart can destroy souls
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:15 PM
void players can mess w the existence or nonexistence of items
prince of heart, literally becomes, active destroyer of souls
so he gets the rare ability to actually
shoot lazor
but again thats not like, his Hardcoded Thing
tho it def is something he does a lot!
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:16 PM
A Prince of Doom would-- wait isnt that pinkie pie
a prince of doom is pinkie pie
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:17 PM
certain items give
wait
oh
mhm
we did that didnt we
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:17 PM
yeah
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:17 PM
i love classpecting
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:17 PM
so a prince of doom among other things can break grimness, tone, and sacrifice
a prince of doom is the sort to heroically sacrifice themselves and then show up to their own funeral, totally fine
'hey wheres the chips and dip at whys everyone sad'
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:19 PM
destroyer of their own fate
and its tough! lots of Doom overlaps w Time too
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:19 PM
whereas a knight of doom is like constantly trading bits and pieces of themselves for the maxiumum possible gain
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:19 PM
like, of the two trolls who have time and doom powers, the one who literally can speak to dead people, is the time one
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whereas a knight of doom is like constantly trading bits and pieces of themselves for the maxiumum possible gain
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:20 PM
doc ock! i think.
oh my god
oh my god
SENATOR ARMSTRONG
NANOMACHINES SON
THEY HARDEN IN RESPONSE TO PHYSICAL TRAUMA
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:20 PM
omg yep there ya go
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:20 PM
THE WEAK WILL BE etc etc
so like
doc ock's tentacles
are knight of doom, as much as senator armstrong's nanomachines son are knight of doom
mannequin
knight of doom
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:21 PM
oh yeah definitely
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:21 PM
mayybe defiant? to an extent.
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:21 PM
mannequin is 100% knight of doom
defiant is a page of doom
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:21 PM
mmm
yes
oh yeah
nope
100%
yep
thats a page
right there
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transientAcatalepsy 11-Jan-22 11:21 PM
I'm noticing a theme of self-mutilation in exchange for power with Doom aspects (edited)
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:21 PM
yeah
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:21 PM
unrealized in armsmaster, realized in defiant
yeah, doom specifically is that
sollux, mituna, uh
they dont
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:22 PM
doom kinda be that way-- and conversely a prince of doom is almost like... cartoonishly resilient
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:22 PM
do great
and its funny too bc sollux literally
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:22 PM
a prince of doom gets their arm cut off and theres no blood and they just stick it back on (edited)
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:22 PM
dies 3 times
gets fully blinded
but the crazy thing is
hes like
fuckin
one of 4 people in a healthy relationship by the end (edited)
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:22 PM
doom is trauma, its irreversible
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:23 PM
he is one of very few who comes out of it like heyooo faced the end of all things
got THRU IT!
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:23 PM
but... yeah
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:23 PM
i lived bitch (i didnt actually, but, yknow)
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transientAcatalepsy 11-Jan-22 11:23 PM
I see
okay, and as for void? What would a Knight/Prince of Void look like?
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:23 PM
(i actually died several times and then my girlfriend, the death fairy, grabbed my soul and now i chill)
prince of void is very powerful
but in a like
i mean
xehanort????
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:24 PM
A Knight of Void would take advantage of stealth, invisibility, being unknown-- a born dark horse candidate
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:24 PM
no
mickey mouse.
kh mickey mouse
destroys darkness
and is destroyed by darkness
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:24 PM
...oh god king mickey is a prince of void isnt he
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:24 PM
fucking leaves aQUA IN THE DARK WORLD FOR TEN YEARS
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:24 PM
the fucking canonically relevant destroyed shirt
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:24 PM
LOSES HIS GODDAMN SHIRT TO THE DARKNESS
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transientAcatalepsy 11-Jan-22 11:24 PM
he lost his shirt okay
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:24 PM
he can destroy his irrelevancy
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transientAcatalepsy 11-Jan-22 11:24 PM
I fucking love you all
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:25 PM
he can INVENT AN ENTIRE GAME
for himself to spotlight
because he, just, he just did
he did
prince of void would operate dangerously close to the meta
i almost feel like typewriter god from typewriter is one
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:26 PM
and kingdom hearts is almost completely incomprehensible because they systematically destroy every blind spot in canon with a surgically placed sidegame with a weird name
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i almost feel like typewriter god from typewriter is one
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:26 PM
destroyed by the Void and destroyer of the void (by writing)
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:26 PM
...oh duh
tisky
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and kingdom hearts is almost completely incomprehensible because they systematically destroy every blind spot in canon with a surgically placed sidegame with a weird name
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transientAcatalepsy 11-Jan-22 11:26 PM
A part of me was tempted to say not every one but then I remembered that we're getting a Xehanort game so nvm
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:26 PM
batman is a knight of void
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transientAcatalepsy 11-Jan-22 11:27 PM
lightlolmad
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:27 PM
mr nopowers superpuncher is like
the definition of a knight of void
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:27 PM
batman yeah
plus like
the wealth
and his relationship w it
thats tied to light too
batman merely adopted the void
which is v knighty
bane was molded by it. maid from it
i hate this
taking it back lolmad
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transientAcatalepsy 11-Jan-22 11:28 PM
i am now picturing kitty maid bane
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:28 PM
whats inverse of knight
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transientAcatalepsy 11-Jan-22 11:28 PM
i must never tell top about this horrid mental image
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:28 PM
rogue
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:28 PM
rogue
batman rogue of light
hahaha
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transientAcatalepsy 11-Jan-22 11:29 PM
...so catwoman
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:29 PM
because hes a billionaire
he takes wealth
hahhahaa
fuck off thats perfect
kitty maid
is catwoman heart lolmad
heart is the aspect of catgirls
hmmmm
i think we did this already maybe
nope
cant find it
lmfao gonna have to add Bruno Encanto to the spreadsheet
and DEAR from EVAN HANSEN
HAHA
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:30 PM
oh my goddddd
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:30 PM
AHSHAUSDAUIYWDA
DEAR EVAN HANSEN AND BATMAN
ARE FFUCKING
INVERSES
OF EACH OTHER
i
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:31 PM
oh my goddddddd
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:31 PM
wanna say
that batman
is page of void
not knight
specifically bc his like
badassitude
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:31 PM
oh hmm
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:31 PM
is fully realized page levels
and like
a billionare being a Thief
works for me a lot better than rogue
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:31 PM
but then batman is legal kin with the one dancestor horuss
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:32 PM
yes
fuck you!
batman!
riddlers away
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:32 PM
welp
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:32 PM
lemme actually double check lolmad
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transientAcatalepsy 11-Jan-22 11:32 PM
me watching this go down like (edited)
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:32 PM
horrus zahhak
jan
like
of all the characters
who ELSE
WEARS A FUCKIN LEATHER FURSUIT
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:32 PM
...
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:32 PM
ONLY PAGES OF VOID
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:32 PM
ok im sold
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:33 PM
this is your batman
kneel gotham
okay
to translate
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:33 PM
his horns are
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:33 PM
lolmad
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:33 PM
even
bat ears
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:33 PM
oh god
oh god have we been punked
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:33 PM
yes
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:33 PM
and it was on purpose
FUCK
hahaha
god
i
fucking
hate homestuck
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:33 PM
same
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:34 PM
The Page of Void was a self taught master of mechanics, an avid patron of the fine arts, a passionate 8ody 8uilder, archer, am8rosia collector and steamwright. A poet, a scholar, a warrior, a lover, he was all that his caste demanded and more. A true troll Renaissance man. His name means "He Who Stalks With The Muscle8easts." 8ut all of his proficiencies were hard won, 8uilt from the 8lank slate as his aspect would imply, advancing at the slow pace his class would as well. Yet in spite of all he worked to make something of himself, he amounted to very little. Responsi8le for neither great feats of heroism nor acts of villainy, he was just another game piece to 8e moved a8out the 8oard. The aspect ruling his life would always conspire to dampen his relevance. Void is easily the most mysterious aspect, the one which inherently defies rational understanding. This makes it particularly fascinating, and just as frustrating, to light players such as myself. Casting illumination upon nothing itself is futile. For to truly know void is to paradoxically cause it not to 8e! The role of the void player is to somehow em8race nothingness, to 8ecome one with it. And yet in total contradiction with this, to make use of the power it grants and serve a role of relevance, one must find a way to overcome it! To see the limitless potential in the void. To find everything within nothing, and 8ring it into 8eing.
this just reads like
someone who only met
bruce wayne
and is like
who is that batman fella tho
wonder where he came from
He also believes that he is a being consisting of multiple entities (which he sometimes refers to as "souls") that simultaneously are him and separate beings inhabiting his body, including the souls of at least two ancient legendary musclebeasts, various kinds of devices including hivehold appliances, planets, star systems, several universes, abstract concepts which no language can describe, and at least one "soul" from Alterniasia (which he believes helps him understand Damara's language).
oh fuck you openbound
the problem here is that i know spiderman canon did this shit
that like
spiderman is a godhood or some fucking thing
is batmanhood like
an ancient fuckin
prophecy or whatever
i dont know. (edited)
either way
fully realized page of void batman
🔨
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:36 PM
im sorry tisky this happens every time the two of us start talking classpects
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:36 PM
yes
thats the uh
galaxybrain
part
lmfao
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:36 PM
i (hestia) am a mage of life, shes a maid of light, together we're completely fucking inscrutable
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but then batman is legal kin with the one dancestor horuss
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:37 PM
so to translate this
we have a running gag
that if you and a fictional character share a classpect
you're legally allowed to kin them
like, for me, i'm legally allowed to kin hatsune miku and rarity mlp
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:38 PM
as a system, we are legally allowed to kin byleth fire emblem
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:38 PM
and batman, page of void, legally kins, the, uh, horsefucker joke character from homestuck's worst act (edited)
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:39 PM
page of void
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:39 PM
fuck
tired
lol
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transientAcatalepsy 11-Jan-22 11:39 PM
i think I want to go with Knight
just waffling inbetween whether i feel more Doom or Void
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:40 PM
mm
knight of void attacks thru mystery
but like
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:40 PM
i cannot believe you would get that wrong viri oh my god its like you dont even have an encyclopedic knowledge of the classpect of everyone who sneezed in a single frame of homestuck
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:40 PM
also know that obscurity can be your downfall
trust issues may abound (edited)
in fact
you might act kinda sussy
oh shit
is batman inverse vriskakin
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:45 PM
huh
yeah i guess so
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:45 PM
or actually like
specifically
(Vriska)kin
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:45 PM
yes
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:45 PM
tho she is unrealized
and he is
max voiditude for him
she gets to be in the light one last time (w tz)
(its cute)
probably i will say
it is healthier to not be a realized page of void lolmad
dont go there
but yeah
Tisky Knight of Void
I'm enjoying it
Knight is also one of the more straightforward classes to write for
Grue Parahumans' power, Aisha Parahumans' power, both work as Void
Tho I'm not sure I'd call both knights quite yet
Def one is
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:52 PM
grue more than imp id say
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:52 PM
Yeah
Imp feels more uh
Idk. Passive struggle
Constant
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aorticAblution 11-Jan-22 11:52 PM
sylph of void?
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【SKAIA】 11-Jan-22 11:52 PM
Maybe bard? That feels wrong
Oh lol yep we both went to create/destroy
Yeah
Induces void in others
Very literal description of her powers
But it's passive it's constant
That's a perfect classpecting right there I tell you hwat
Grue actively exploits darkness to his advantage
but definitely gets uh, long term narratively boned by void
in very, yeah, ways
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crescentCecropia 12-Jan-22 02:04 AM
hmm.. muse of space might not be me anymore, but idk about [something] of blood either
ill figure it out tomorrow
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【SKAIA】 12-Jan-22 11:28 AM
Muse of Space
Oh shit (edited)
Should we even mention the masterclasses
I mean I'll do it real quick here. It's just, the Big Ol Ones. They don't make sense outside of Big Bads and Big Goods
Muse and Lord
Dumbledore and Voldemort
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aorticAblution 12-Jan-22 11:40 AM
yeah
why were those even options on the like... quiz that we used last time lol
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【SKAIA】 12-Jan-22 11:41 AM
We can do the formal stuff if u want, they're the inspiration and domination classes, iirc? Or was Lord conquest
I don't think Muse was
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aorticAblution 12-Jan-22 11:41 AM
i thought they were embodiment
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【SKAIA】 12-Jan-22 11:41 AM
I think we just wanted to do it bc fun
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aorticAblution 12-Jan-22 11:41 AM
passive and active
o i c
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【SKAIA】 12-Jan-22 11:42 AM
Ahhh
I do know Muse has inspire
Bc, bluh bluh fandom, navelgazey bs
Dominate/inspire, says the pinned jpeg (edited)
Good enough
Dominates thru and is dominated by Time
LE
Yeah
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aorticAblution 12-Jan-22 11:43 AM
if ash is still gonna go space then kyo gets to sit this one out after all and doesnt have to think about the implications of their aspect haha
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【SKAIA】 12-Jan-22 11:43 AM
Dominates thru and is dominated by Rage
Voldy
Up to Ash lol
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aorticAblution 12-Jan-22 11:43 AM
yee
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【SKAIA】 12-Jan-22 11:43 AM
Space is
Hold on
if your aspect is space you may be entitled to financial compensation
Yes
And this is true for most aspects but space just
Poetically and beautifully
Completely fucking sucks
Lol
loneliest girl in the world like
That is a stunning and gorgeous title for a character
Fucking sucks shit to be her!!!!!
Oh one of the other big things abt powers related to classpecting
They usually appear more subtle at first
Before getting more blatant as the game goes on as levels progress
LE, for example -- he starts "dominating thru time" by killing his sister who he was supposed to be intertwined with forever, who he was supposed to be in a loop of waking and sleeping
His character is tied to a metaphor of a pool game for
Stupid reasons
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aorticAblution 12-Jan-22 11:47 AM
the f e l t
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【SKAIA】 12-Jan-22 11:47 AM
Mostly bc, uh, Sonic the hedgehog 2 has a casino level
That's really barely off from the truth
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aorticAblution 12-Jan-22 11:48 AM
id say something to the effect of 'this is after homestuck got bad' but it already was this is mostly after homestuck got worse
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【SKAIA】 12-Jan-22 11:49 AM
(4/13 is the Homestuck release date, 413 is the Homestuck funny numbers, 4*13 is 52 cards in a deck, thus, Hussie used some Problem Sleuth fan characters in a mafia/mobster au joke thing that he also used for introducing time loops as a story mechanic)
(it is actually one of the better parts of the story)
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aorticAblution 12-Jan-22 11:49 AM
is that why that interlude is there
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【SKAIA】 12-Jan-22 11:49 AM
Yep
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aorticAblution 12-Jan-22 11:49 AM
i never did figure that out
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【SKAIA】 12-Jan-22 11:49 AM
It's a primer for time loops
They're not introduced before it
But afterwards they start happening left and right
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aorticAblution 12-Jan-22 11:50 AM
its fun but also seems completely divorced from literally everything else lol
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【SKAIA】 12-Jan-22 11:50 AM
Well, it's also a scrapped story concept
He was gonna do a played straight midnight crew comic
At the same time as HS
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aorticAblution 12-Jan-22 11:50 AM
he was????
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【SKAIA】 12-Jan-22 11:50 AM
Yep
There was even foreshadowing for it
There's a like
Necklace
Belonging to the villain of that scrapped comic
In WV's exile station
Lemme
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aorticAblution 12-Jan-22 11:51 AM
no no i dont want to know
take your light back
oh god its too late shes already finding it
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【SKAIA】 12-Jan-22 11:52 AM
PROF MAYONAKA
was gonna be the arch nemesis of Lord English
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aorticAblution 12-Jan-22 11:52 AM
...what?
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【SKAIA】 12-Jan-22 11:53 AM
Mayonaka was the fan who submitted the midnight crew in the first place
So his like big ol godhead SI, was gonna be counter to Hussie's
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aorticAblution 12-Jan-22 11:53 AM
ah
well i cant say im not glad that got scrapped
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【SKAIA】 12-Jan-22 11:54 AM
Yes, unequivocally a good idea
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aorticAblution 12-Jan-22 11:54 AM
honestuck SI bullshit is always terrible this is an ironclad rule and can never be broken
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【SKAIA】 12-Jan-22 11:54 AM
Hilariously the retcons Completely cover the mayonaka pendant (edited)
Like u cannot see it lolll
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aorticAblution 12-Jan-22 11:54 AM
nice
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【SKAIA】 12-Jan-22 11:54 AM
anyway what were we talking about
Oh yeah
Pool is like entropy
Molecules bounce around forever
Until
Eventually
They don't.
And what's really inevitable
Is that that 8 ball
Will, someday (edited)
Get sunk.
Thus the last shot in S Collide
Beam of light shooting up and the 8 ball in LE's eyes
Pool cue lining up the shot
Space created the Void in the black hole -- Light gets to knock Time into it
All that to say
Homestuck is a comic about Vriska beating up Andrew Hussie (edited)
And god bless her for doing so
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aorticAblution 12-Jan-22 11:57 AM
o7
we salute our heroes in orange tinkerbell cosplay
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【SKAIA】 12-Jan-22 11:59 AM
oh yeah @transientAcatalepsy you probably need to watch the 1991 film Hook with Robin Williams as required reading
That's 99.9% a joke
99.99
There are
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transientAcatalepsy 12-Jan-22 12:00 PM
wha
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【SKAIA】 12-Jan-22 12:00 PM
A lot of references to Peter Pan
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aorticAblution 12-Jan-22 12:00 PM
i havent watched it yet but thankfully i have viri here to point out to me all the relevant details
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【SKAIA】 12-Jan-22 12:00 PM
And it's kinda because Peter Pan is baked into so many of HS's influences on so many levels too
Like, Zelda obviously. Huge influence on HS
That shit is just Peter pan the video game over and over again
And Peter pan metaphor reference stuff is mostly present in Breath(Peter), Doom(Hook), and Light (Tinkerbell) classes
I think the crocodile is time more than Hook is time
Bc he's got the fear of death
Time players kinda exist right next to her and they fist bump
Hook can also be Blood
In that he's like, y'know, not able to fly, set in his ways
breath being innocence means blood is to an extent that innocence lost
But Peter Pan definitely is a quintessential Breath player.
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aorticAblution 12-Jan-22 12:05 PM
i used the hook-as-blood thing pretty heavy-handedly in the coming in 20xx fic
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【SKAIA】 12-Jan-22 12:05 PM
Yee
I think Hook's Hook is Extremely blood
Very very obvious like, themes of family for him
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aorticAblution 12-Jan-22 12:06 PM
i mean its even how hes bound to time, right? the hand is why the croc has a taste for him
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【SKAIA】 12-Jan-22 12:06 PM
Disney maybe not as much
Oh shit yep
Yes
Okay taking it back lol
Blood
Blood definitely has some of that ruled by fear stuff
Thinking of Karkat not sleeping
And social conservatives', whole thing
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aorticAblution 12-Jan-22 12:07 PM
karkat is a terrified little man who also tries to rule through fear (hes terrible at that and everyone winds up being friends with this shouty little boy)
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【SKAIA】 12-Jan-22 12:08 PM
Yes
Good kid
Lol
Definitely gets exploited by that fear
Knight of Blood
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aorticAblution 12-Jan-22 12:09 PM
honestly thats kind of a big part of traditionalism-- that fear of change
where breath is dynamic and shifting blood stays and clots and do not move me or i will cry
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【SKAIA】 12-Jan-22 12:12 PM
Yee
I wanna point out that
I've been doing classpecting for a year
And just got that now
That Blood and fear have a ton in common
Oh shit also horror movies!!!
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aorticAblution 12-Jan-22 12:12 PM
oh true!!!
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【SKAIA】 12-Jan-22 12:13 PM
John likes big dumb action
But karkat lives a fuckin slasher (edited)
And loves romance films
Bc
Y'know
Blood
gets your blood pumping, kinda thing.
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